Why Religious Idiots want Atheism to Be a Religion

Quick background here. It has become fashionable as of late for defenders of the religion to spend hours among themselves gloating that “atheism is a religion.” They write books, make youtube videos, preach, lecture, and go on news shows to declare that “atheism is also a religion.” This message is so prevalent that I WAS going to provide a few links for my readers to peruse and know I’m not exaggerating, but it turns out there were something like 18 million hits for the query “atheism is a religion.” So if I may, it is a message that is as common as the birthday song, endemic in nearly every religious group.

But this is crazy! This is not what one would expect. For example, if a geologist, biologist, and cosmologist were talking about someone that believed the earth was flat and evolution was fake, they wouldn’t elevate that person by stating that “evolution denial is a science.” Imagine if an astronaut, that spent 6 months in space circling the ball earth every 90 minutes, tried to explain to a flat earther that “flat earthers are scientists.” Can we all agree this is a scenario we would never expect?

We would not expect it because it isn’t science. At best, it is pseudo-science, and at the worst it is just crazy. But it is not science. And no actual scientists would try to prove evolution is true by claiming that evolution deniers are also scientists. After all, the reason the person got the wrong answer is because they did NOT do science.

So why do religious idiots want atheism to be a religion so bad? In short, to level the playing field.

Let me just put this out there. This is a horrible argument. You are admitting to being stupid, gullible, irrational, and illogical. And your best defense of being stupid, gullible, irrational, and illogical is to say “well, so are you!”?

But unfortunately for the religious person, that is exactly what they have to do. And they are forced to do this because it all comes down to HOW we know things. There are lots of ways we learn and know, including trying, reading, listening to stories, and going to school. Of all the methods we learn and know, science is THE BEST process we know of to gain knowledge. It is the best because of it’s reliability. When you are really specific, and really precise, and you test thing repeatedly, and other people also test the same things repeatedly, and you not only try to explain but make very precise predictions, and those test and predictions always come true, and every technology or activity that bases itself off that science works reliably, that means it is a reliable method.

On the complete opposite end of the “how we know things” spectrum is making shit up. Making shit up is notoriously unreliable, ineffective, useless to technology, and predictions fail. This is what religion is. Made up shit. Science gives us smart phones. Religion gives us people burying babies in post holes when building houses. And since the religious person is “punching up” as it were, they have to try and tear down their opponent to their level.

The scientist doesn’t have to do this. For that matter, no expert in ANY field has to do this. If someone professed that welders are fake because solid metal can never become liquid metal, the welders and engineers of the world would not have to try and tell the state-of-matter deniers that they, too, are also welders. That is ridiculous. But that’s because the welder is right when saying the metal becomes liquid and flows together before hardening back to a solid.

“You’re as dumb as I am” is a horrible debate premise. The only real conclusion is that neither idea is reliable. But just like every stupid statement, the devil is in the details. Obviously, the first detail is that atheism does not inform any pathway to knowledge. Atheism is only my disbelief that you have the right answer. Atheism does not assume or represent that I have the right answer. Atheism does not have a method to gain knowledge. And the second detail is that just because making shit up in the name of god is a poor pathway to knowledge does not mean all pathways to knowledge are equally flawed.

As an atheist, I may choose to gain knowledge by sitting in the trees and listening for advice from tree pixies. I can do that and still be an atheist. But I would be just as likely to be wrong as the religious person. Or I can talk to experts, get an education, or do science. And any of those methods are better than your method.

But at the end of the day, atheism is not a religion, and yes, my way of getting knowledge is vastly superior to yours. I’m not as dumb as you are, no matter how angry that makes you.

The Spartan Atheist

54 thoughts on “Why Religious Idiots want Atheism to Be a Religion

  1. Atheism is 100% faith-based. The atheist makes of himself the measure of all things (god). The atheists attacks rival religions, namely Christianity.

    If atheism is not a religion it certainly acts like one.

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    1. Dear lying asshole Silence of the Mind, any chance you want to answer my questions from about 4 articles ago? You know it already…..

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      1. I LOVE HOW YOU BEGAN WITH “dear lying asshole”: you are ALL i aspire to be

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  2. chris schilling May 13, 2022 — 6:06 am

    Christian fanatics such as SoM must needs call atheism a religion because, that way, they think they can set the terms of the debate, and then argue for the supposed superiority of their particular faith over any and all competing ones.

    The atheist — among other things — doesn’t agree to the terms to begin with: concepts like Original Sin; Heaven/Hell, etc. Once you do that, you’re playing by their invented rules, forced into a defensive position to justify yourself. To non-existent hell with that!

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  3. Atheists are hardly religious because we do not have the supernatural ability to talk to an invisible man that lives somewhere out there in space. Atheists do not have the privilege of singing, praying and tithing to this same entity who is supposed to be in control of everything. Atheists do not have the luxury of repenting their sins for an afterlife in a white heaven as angels to look forward too. Atheists find these are good reasons to thank God that they are atheists so maybe we are not so different 🙂

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  4. We don’t have to say you are religious. But you definitely bear the thumb print of Satan in your hatred of the Word of God and the people who have the Peace of Christ ruling in their heart.
    “Did God really say?. . . You shall be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3

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    1. Randy, if “satan” means “not being a gullible idiot”, I’ll take it.

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    2. Funny thing about this “satan” and all the tricks and deeds that are assigned to him … HE DOESN’T EXIST. The idea of this “creature” is nothing but a way of “scaring” people into belief that priests and preachers have advanced over the years.
      Don’t believe me? Do some research outside your holy book and you’ll learn how this creature came to be the ogre that scares even grown men and women.

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      1. Any one (including you) can believe a lie told by the one who is “the Father of lies.”

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      2. Randy, you are the king of non-sequitors.

        Religious types are desperate to casr atheism as a religion. The word literally means “nope, not a religion”, yet religious people want it to be so in order to justify stupid, irrational beliefs. Talk about that.

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      3. I said you don’t have to call it a religion. You don’t worship anyone ( except maybe your own reason). I just said your arguments are not original.

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      4. Not only are my arguments not original, I intend to repeat them until they finally get through your very thick skull.

        Your position is based on gullibility, emotion, and illogical thinking.

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      5. As I said … Do. The. Research.
        But here’s a bit to get you started:
        In the ancient Hebrew language, there is no “Satan” (proper name). There is, however, “the satan,” which is a literal translation of the Hebrew word, ha-satan.
        The transformation of ha-satan to “Satan” came about during the so-called “silent years” – the approximate 300-400 year gap between the end of the Hebrew sacred writings and the appearance of Jesus. The change was prompted by apocalyptic (revelatory, prophetic) authors who reportedly received visions and messages from angelic sources about the ultimate destiny of humankind. The writings were a blend of reality and fantasy. Nearly all of them contained predictions of end-time events. What was most significant about these works is the way the authors began to develop a cosmic entity (based on myths from surrounding cultures as well as their own creativity) that could be blamed for all the bad things that were happening.
        Satan as the Enemy is a figment of imagination of writers long ago … and which The Church assimilated into their doctrines to control the people.

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      6. Nan, I know the word satan. In Hebrew, no caps, no punctuation, no vowels. The word means adversary or superhuman adversary.
        In Greek (new Testament), satanas: adversary, the prince of evil spirits.

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      7. Yay! Now Randy…. You have to put 2 and 2 together. All by yourself. With nobody else helping, you have to figure out what it means that early writing didn’t say anything about this being, then later writings had a generalized or vague concept, and much, much later writings had a more specific attribute for this being, that seems to resemble material from other cultures. What could it mean…..? What does it mean, Randy?

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      8. Well, to be fair, Job is considered by most to be the oldest book in the Bible, and satan was a prominent character in that book. The serpent in Genesis (whatever he may have looked like certainly performed the role of the adversary, and his influence is evident throughout the old Testament.
        Jesus spoke of Satan, the serpent of old, the accuser, the liar from the beginning,and certainly acknowledged him as a being who could influence people in a very negative way.

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      9. When I said you show the thumprint of satan, I mean you act as an adversary to the people of God.
        Same for Chris and Nan.
        I could have said son of the devil, child of Lucifer, serpent, dragon. . . It’s all about a metaphor.
        And to Chris, I don’t know anything about Zoroastrianism. Sorry.

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      10. Oh Randy! You most DEFINITELY need to read up on Zoroastrianism!!! Christianity is its birth-child.

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      11. Randy, I AM an adversary to religion. Have you not noticed? This is called “thinking”, and my primary objection to religion is it encourages people not to do it. It specifically tells you thinking is “evil”. And you have such a fear of getting on the wrong side of your fake god that you are paralyzed by the thought of thinking. And I can’t think of anything more horrible than going through life as a gullible twit.

        You are REALLY good at fooling yourself. Hell, your born again story is textbook gullibility and susceptibility. Those aren’t things a grown adult should be proud of.

        Also, the fact that you know nothing of Zoroastrianism just shows how ignorant and gullible you are about your own religion.

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      12. It’s interesting to me that the only kickback you receive on your blog is from believers in Jesus. I wonder why that is.

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      13. Randy, your ignorance is astounding. It’s almost like you habe no brain whatsoever.

        First, I do occasionally get non-Christian types.

        But secondly, and this is very important, Randy, who the fuck else do you think is reading my blog???? I’m writing in English, for fuck sake. English, Randy! If I were writing in Arabic, I’d have almost zero Christian commenters! Because just like language, religions are regional.

        You didn’t pick being a Christian any more than you picked speaking English, Randy! You obviously have no idea whatsoever what exists outside the borders of your little sheltered life. Fuck, you had never heard of Zoroastrianism! Jesus fucking Christ, Randy! Go learn something.

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      14. So, I have received this life that gives me incredible peace, even through trials, comfort through pain and hardship, joy in the midst of sorrows, and love for even the sorriest people, and I have been living in it for over forty years, and you think I should look into Zoroastrianism?
        If I have met the One who saved me, why would I ever leave him?
        And who drives you to try to remove this special life from me?
        You don’t have to answer.
        I know the one whose lies you swallow.

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      15. Randy, I don’t give a flying fuck if you believe in butt fairies that make sure your turds are soft. The problem is you tell other people. The problem is you come on my blog like an ignorant buffoon claiming your butt fairies are superior to all other fairies. Fairies are not real, Randy.

        And the problem is not that you believe in butt fairies, it is that other people that believe in butt fairies are voting to restrict rights, disenfranchise voters, criminalize certain behavior, spend tax money, and force the indoctrination of butt fairy mythology. You are part of that butt fairy stupid train attempting to convince other people that butt fairies are the way to go, and we need to stop spending money on cancer research and spend more money donating to butt fairy charities to spread the word of butt fairies.

        Fuck your butt fairies. I don’t care if you ever care to learn about tree fairies. But don’t come into the public square with your stupid butt fairies and not know about tree fairies, otherwise you’re not part of an intelligent conversation, you’re a village idiot.

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      16. Then, though none of what you just said is true, I will remain, in your words, ” a village idiot.”

        “For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”
        ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:25‬ ‭ESV‬‬
        https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.1.25.ESV

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      17. Spoken like a true village idiot, quoting the village idiot’s guide to the universe.

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      18. So I should strive to be like you?

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      19. Randy, what does yellow smell like? How much does a round square cost? If you are riding down a river in a four-door canoe and the wings fall off, how many bowling balls are there?

        In other words, Randy, stop asking stupid questions. You know they are stupid questions. Here is a smart question: If the strongest defenders of my faith tell non-believers that they are just as stupid, illogical, irrational, gullible, and ridiculous as you are, is that really what an organization that has a real thing would say?

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      20. No, but when countless lives are changed from bad to good, and all of them give credit to a new life that changed them, and Jesus is the reason, how can you tell them they are wrong.
        Keep your life.
        I’ll hang on to the one given to me.
        Forever.

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      21. How can I tell them they are wrong? Randy, again your ignorance is shocking.

        There are BILLIONS of people that had their lives change when they came to accept the Hindu doctrines of samsara and karma, reincarnation, ahimsa, and following Shiva.

        How can you possibly tell THEM they are wrong?

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      22. Like you, I have never talked to them.
        You learn a lot about someone by having a conversation.

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      23. Of COURSE you have never talked to them. Your ignorance oozes with every sentence, Randy. Yes, I have. I have talked to them. And Muslims. And Sikhs. And Mormons.

        But back to the point. BILLIONS of people’s lives were changed by following Hinduism, and here you are not a Hindu! Why, Randy?

        I know why.

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      24. Yes. Because I met one who saved me in spite of myself.

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      25. What? The question is WHY ARE YOU NOT HINDU?

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      26. Because when I was lost and crying out to God for an answer, the Hindu God’s did not answer.
        I guess you could say, I found the God who is there.
        It started out pretty simple, but He was not simple.
        But He is Good.

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      27. No, Randy! You cried out to Jesus because you were thinking of Jesus. You weren’t thinking about Vishnu or Shiva or Krishna at all. You called out to Jesus god because you were raised in the US. Period. If you were the exact same person crying out for god in India, you would believe Shiva answered. Just like actual Hindus, who are only Hindi because they grew up in a Hindi culture. Thats it.

        You are a gullible, ignorant product of your culture, and you believe in a made-up god. And yes, that is a tough reality to face, especially since you have now been fooling yourself for decades. But it is absolutely the truth. And those of us that dont have our head in the sand see it, because we see the Hindu or Mormon or Muslim or Jew or Zoroastrian believing VERY STRONGLY for the exact same reason as you. In your moment of weakness, vulnerability, susceptibility, and gullibility, you found personal meaning in a symbol you were raised to believe was true. That is honestly all it is, Randy. Nothing else. No actual Jesus, Shiva, Muhammad, Moroni, Ahura, or Satan. Just you accepting an idea as your motivation.

        Gullibility and geography are why you are a Jesus cult member. Nothing elae.

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      28. Okay. Still wouldn’t want to be like you.

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      29. So you are still unwilling to think. Okay. See you the next time.

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      30. See ya next time. Thinking all the time. I just have a different perspective than you.

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      31. Yeah, your perspective is inside your little bubble. Your belief is EXACTLY THE SAME as the Hindus, and every believer of the thousand other gods. No difference at all.

        But YOU only feel the one. And inside your bubble, nobody checks to see if that is your poor perception or reality. But out here…. It’s your poor perception.

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      32. Ahhhh yes. The old fall-back to how GREAT belief in Jeeeezus is! Who cares about how it all came about? That feeeeeling in one’s heart and the “special life” that “God” provides is ALL that’s important.

        Typical closed-mind thinking.

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      33. Nan, the problem with your argument is I was one way, and now I am completely different.

        “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.”
        ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭ESV‬‬
        https://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17.ESV

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      34. Oh yeah! It’s more than obvious that you fell hook, line, and sinker for the propaganda. As I’ve said many times before, I’ve been there, done that so I’m well aware of the self-induced “life changes” that you’re experiencing. But the FACTS are … this “Jesus life” you’re living is totally of your own creation. Hopefully, someday you’ll have an epiphany and see this for yourself.

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      35. Wow, you give me way more credit than I deserve.
        I did the things myself, but it didn’t last, just like you.
        I could have been enticed to leave at that stage of my life, maybe, but I am so glad I gave up on my way and followed Him.
        44 years, Nan.

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    3. chris schilling May 15, 2022 — 7:01 pm

      Thumb print of Satan?

      Who knew Randy was a closet Zoroastrian? What else are you hiding in there, Randy?

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  5. chris schilling May 16, 2022 — 7:16 pm

    Randy, as Nan said: do some research.

    The ancient Hebrews took all sorts of dualistic thinking — light/darkness; Heaven/Hell, etc — from Zoroastrianism, which goes back much further than the Abrahamic faiths, and continues to influence much fantasy and science fiction writing even today.

    This is all by way of stating the bleedin’ obvious: religions evolve; direct or personal revelations are non-existent; and your beliefs, such as they are, were never truly yours to begin with — they have ancient cultural and historical antecedents you’d no doubt be unwilling to recognise or credit anymore.

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  6. I am a person of faith, but I do not think calling atheism a religion is a good argument. Vocal and active atheists may be stating their case religiously though. That being said, in my experience with atheists they are generally not that into science and research. Something my naive self thought until I interacted with many atheists. My assumptions were that logic and reason are primary drivers. For instance I was convinced that all of them trusted the big bang and evolution. I was very wrong and naive. I was probably stupid, gullible, irrational, and illogical 😉

    I see emotions, biases, paradoxes and Dunning Kruger driving humans in all categories. There appear to be blind zones in all of us.

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    1. Isabella, I concur. We all have a bit of Dunning-Kruger, a bit of confirmation bias, and a bit of a tendancy to treat people as a monolith. Atheists are just people that don’t believe in your god, and in every other way be superstitious or gullible or fail at logic. But I do believe atheists that used to be religious tend to be a bit more critical about believing in the next thing.

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      1. Thank you for your respectful response 🙂 I agree. One cannot put the label religion on atheism because it is in conflict with the way atheism and religion is defined. It makes a very poor argument, but so does labels in general in my view. Both sides are very diverse down to the individual level. I would argue against the statement that atheists do not find ways to be superstitious or gullible or fail at logic though. My granted small sample of personal experience suggest otherwise. Science and research seem to align with those findings. Logic, reason, science, research does not appear to be the driving force behind non-belief on the individual level. Something that has actually disappointed me over the years on my quest for good discussions. Expecting logic, reason, science, research and coherent arguments. Getting emotional and subjective claims along with degrading labels. It all becomes a huge incoherent mess and impossible for me to wrap my (ignorant, irrational, gullible, idiot) mind around.

        That being said, I do not get anywhere discussing science and research with believers either. I see terrible biases and blind spots in people of faith as well. Not claiming to be superior to any of this. More than anything it frightens me to see these cognitive shortcoming in fellow humans. Knowing that I am guaranteed to fall short on vast areas and being completely unaware of it.

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  7. Do you know what would be even better? If Atheists demanded that all religions become Athiest. LOL!

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    1. Hi, Mac. That made no sense at all. Would you care to explain?

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      1. Religious nut jobs demanding Atheism be a religion, turn it around and have atheists demand all religion be atheism.

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  8. Spartan Atheist, I agree with you that atheism is not a religion. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
    There are also a variety of atheists, from soft to hard, from negative to positive, etc. Thus, classification of atheism is multifaceted.
    I am a theist myself and do believe in a necessary being who created the world, but I think it’s best if we allow the atheists to define their own philosophical worldview.
    That being said, I would encourage you not to resort to ad hominem attacks against religious people. While you may feel a certain way, do your best to remain focused on breaking down the logical fallacies of our worldview. Otherwise, you will only be creating conflict and not convince religious folk to change their minds.
    I am not sure if this is your intention or not, but it is my hope you want to debate respectfully with people you both agree and disagree with. Have a good day.

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    1. Hello, Chaddamitz! Yes, I believe in respectful conversation. I also, however, believe in targeted ridicule.

      What do I mean by that? Well, religious beliefs are just silly. They are anachronistic, superstitious, illogical, contrary to science, and nothing that should be uttered seriously by any educated person in the past 2 centuries. Professions of such belief should cause the listener to react in fits of mirth.

      But I’m also aware that people actually believe this stuff. And that does not mean that person is stupid, only that they are willing to believe in stupid things. And frankly, that is just as interesting a field of study as any.

      So you are more than welcome to comment, and I promise I will extend the benefit of the doubt to you in that you are an intelligent and HONEST person.

      Your admission that atheism is not a religion gives me hope we may be able to have such an open and honest discussion.

      Thanks for your comment, and if you have any specific topics I would be happy to engage.

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