Your God is a Special Kind of Stupid

A religious person recently asked this question in my comments elsewhere: “If you were God, what would you do to the rapist?”

I imagine this religious person thought that would be a profound statement, possibly the type of statement that requires a person to pause and reconsider. It’s the kind of zinger that is dropped when you believe the other person has failed to consider a major issue in their position. I mean, if you are god and supposedly a good person, you can’t kill the rapist, right? And if you stop the rapist, then aren’t you controlling people instead of giving them free will?

What an absolutely stupid thing to say. What an absolute immoral, unethical, illogical, god damned fucking horrible thing to say.

First, yeah. Kill the rapists. If god quit playing hide-and-seek and decided to lead for a change, he could start by killing rapists. If you literally died the moment you tried raping someone, people even considering raping someone would drop to zero. Nineteen year old fraternity jocks would be exceptionally considerate before trying to screw the co-eds. College men would literally monitor the women like older brothers to make sure they did NOT imbibe just to make sure the sex was completely, absolutely, 100% consentual. Because otherwise, they would know that there was a 100% chance if they were wrong they would drop dead that very second. I’m already more moral than your god.

Second, absolutely fuck with their free will. Why not? Bible god specifically messed with people’s minds so they would be jerks so he could be an asshole to them. Why can’t god give everyone free will as long as they don’t rape? Or murder? Can’t god at least step in for those two things? What great, cosmic plan would be ruined if there was less rape or murder? People already die by old age, accidents, disease, and all sorts of other causes. Why do we need to add murder to make sure people know what the pain of loss is like? And why do we need rape just to make sure people know what being taken advantage of is like? We don’t. I’m more capable of discerning right from wrong than your god.

And third, well, this last one demonstrates that your god is just a complete fucking moron. Your god is just incredibly short-sighted, forgetful, and stupid. And it’s so god damned simple. Stop rape. Yes, if your god wasn’t an idiot, he could just make it where rape wasn’t even a thing.

Why do people rape? Rape is a domination thing, using a violation of someone’s own body to control them. Now, evolution works because we have sexual reproduction, genetic variation, genetic drift, and sexual dominance. But your god supposedly “poofed” people into existence, which means we don’t need evolution. So why do people need sex to reproduce? That’s stupid! It’s like pouring gasoline into a Tesla electric car. It won’t make it go, and it can only result in fire.

Get rid of sex, no more rape. I’m smarter than your god.

I’m also real, so I am better than your god in every way.

The Spartan Atheist

77 thoughts on “Your God is a Special Kind of Stupid

  1. A real god could just tweak human psychology a little so that the very thought of doing violence to another person is a boner killer. Ta-da! How hard was that?

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      1. Spartan, First thank you for responding to my comment. Second, the premise you use is a type of hypothetical which in logic would be called a strawman argument. I already explained why your hypothetical is a strawman argument. But I will do it again:

        For your hypothetical to be true, God would be required to usurp human free will. That is a violation of both the natures of God and man. God will does not and will not control man. Man possesses free will and must therefore learn to control himself. People organize themselves into societies which meet out punishment for violations like rape, murder and theft.

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      2. Silence of the Mind, Bible God usurps people’s free will in the bible. Have you never read the bible? Or are you talking about a different god?

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      3. Spartan, Give an example of what you think is God usurping man’s free will in the Bible.

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      4. Silence of the Mind, absolutely. I’ll give you three examples, one example in each category of which there are many examples each.

        Usurping free will by talking or reasoning with someone- If you attempt to reason or persuade, you are changing their mind. This is a very, very “mild” form of usurping free will, but us atheists have noticed that your god doesn’t seem to like to even go to pedophile therapy to help priests stop fucking children. But in the bible, god talks to various characters and they reason out a plan. Off the top of my head, let’s go with Jepthah as an example.

        The second category of god usurping free will is via a method of authority. In these instances, bible god appears as mysterious or powerful, and usually does some magic act to ensure the subject will bend to his will. Again, there’s a whole lot of examples of this, but let’s go with Saul/Paul’s conversion.

        The third category of god usurping man’s free will is literally going into the body of a person and forcing their mind to change on an issue. There are a bunch of these, but let’s go with hardening Pharoah’s heart.

        So, I gave you three categories and an example for each. I’ve tripled your request, and I can name multiple examples for each category. And they are all spelled out in the bible.

        And all I’m saying is if your god was real, it might me nice of him to come down and do the booming voice thing to stop a rape sometime.

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      5. Spartan,

        1. People who converse do not force their will on their interlocutors. Proof is you and I conversing on this topic. You refuse to be persuaded by my arguments and your arguments are irrational to me. We are both free to think how we wish.

        2. You state that God bends man’s will with “magic acts” without giving any examples. Thus your assertion is simply personal opinion and not a valid argument.

        3. Though God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, Pharaoh was still free to choose his course of action. I experience hardness of heart often as is natural. Yet I am still free to choose my own course of action. Christians are taught to take responsibility for their own hardness of heart. Wisdom, as taught in the Bible, is choosing the best course of action in spite of our mental or emotional state.

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      6. Silence, so if GOD came down to earth and changed people’s minds so they wouldn’t rape or kill, then it wouldn’t be a violation of free will, right?

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      7. God has already changed us so we don’t rape or kill. The story of that process is the Bible.

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      8. Silence, so there is no more rape or murder anymore? When did he do that?

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      9. My life among Christians and those who adopt Christian values is crime free. In my neighborhood I don’t even need to lock my doors though I do out of fear of criminals who roam the countryside. The Christian mission is to bring peace on earth.

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      10. Silence, you crack me up. Way to weasel out of answering the question.

        Lets try again. The world is free from rape and murder, yes or no?

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      11. Asked and answered. No need to repeat myself.

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      12. No, you didn’t. But I will answer for you, since reality frightens you so.

        Rape and murder exist. Your god is a failure. Your god can go sit down with all the other failure gods that are weak and ineffectual.

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      13. Oh, also, even if I were wrong about the nature of god, it is still not a strawman fallacy. You don’t understand fallacies.

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    1. All atheist arguments are based on logical fallacies or “facts” that are not true. Here is the logical fallacy upon which this post is based in the author’s own words:

      “A religious person recently asked this question in my comments elsewhere: “If you were God, what would you do to the rapist?””

      This is the atheist setting up the condemnation of God based on a cooked up hypothetical situation in which God is required to take control of humanity to save it from itself.

      Since man possesses free will it is up to him to form just societies which mete out punishment to rapists. “What is justice?” is a conundrum addressed by ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates and Plato, and the ancient Hebrews as told in the Bible. Christian Western Civilization assimilated both ancient Greek philosophy and the Judeo-Christian ethics set forth in the Bible.

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      1. Hi, Silence of the Mind. You have no idea what a logical fallacy is. A hypothetical is not a logical fallacy.

        But you also don’t seem to know what a hypothetical is. Rape actually happens, there is no doubt. So I’m not making up a scenario, I’m discussing reality.

        And I already adressed free will. Bible god is perfectly fine interfering with people’s brains if he can use it to kill babies. Bible god is perfectly fine interfering with people’s brains if it means he gets to punish them. And bible god is perfectly fine interfering with people’s brains as a form of invisible communication. So this bible god is constantly and detrimentally keeping people from having free will all of the time. And if bible god actually created the universe, he created a poor world indeed. He created a world where rape is a thing. He should use this power to help, not kill.

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    2. WHAT???!?? Are you saying what I think you’re saying, Ubi? Oh the horrors of it! A controlling god!

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  2. God has no problem about people suffering, in fact he designed people to kill and rape exactly like our ancestors the cavemen and all the generations of humans since then. If God is to flood the world and kill populations for sin he certainly does not care about the 20,000 children who die every day from starvation and disease or the rapes and murders in the thousands around the globe.

    You might actually be compelled to say as a rational human being “what does he do and what benefits are there?” and justified for thinking he doesn’t exist outside of an indoctrinated persons brain.

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    1. IF someone really stops to think about it, any action that God is said to perform exists entirely in the mind of the believer. Crimes against humanity are committed every single day and we have yet to see some supernatural power swoop down and visibly help the afflicted.

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    2. put it better than i ever could

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  3. Unsurprisingly, SOM is ignorant and tries to lie about his bible when it what it says isn’t convenient for him. It’s always great to note that such a Truechristian(tm) chooses to repeatedly lie, ignoring his supposed god’s words.

    It’s even more fun when he tries lies like “The Christian mission is to bring peace on earth.” and ol’ JC himself said the exact opposite. “4 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household.
    37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it.” Mattthew 10

    and this “3. Though God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, Pharaoh was still free to choose his course of action. I experience hardness of heart often as is natural. Yet I am still free to choose my own course of action. Christians are taught to take responsibility for their own hardness of heart. Wisdom, as taught in the Bible, is choosing the best course of action in spite of our mental or emotional state.”

    an outright lie by an incompetent Christian. Alas, God says that SOM is a liar: “21 And the Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders that I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord: Israel is my firstborn son. 23 I said to you, “Let my son go that he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; now I will kill your firstborn son.’”” Exodus 4

    If “hardening” did nothing to limit one’s free will, this god this god would not have had to rely on it to show off as it says in Exodus 7 “7 The Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. 2 You shall speak all that I command you, and your brother Aaron shall tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his land. 3 But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and I will multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. 4 When Pharaoh does not listen to you, I will lay my hand upon Egypt and bring my people the Israelites, company by company, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment. 5 The Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out from among them.” 6 Moses and Aaron did so; they did just as the Lord commanded them. 7 Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three when they spoke to Pharaoh.”

    Oh darn, the context matters

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    1. I think he is used to talking to idiots. We over here actually read the book.

      Also, I notice no reply when he made excuses for god meddling in the book, while simultaneously claiming that exact same meddling violates gods nature. Poor dude lied his way into a corner.

      Also, I had quite a good laugh at him claiming I used a logical fallacy for merely describing god as described in the bible. Hilarious.

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      1. SOM is notable for repeatedly metaphorically shooting himself in the face.

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      2. I am used to talking to people like you, the Club, and Nan.

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      3. Well do better.

        Learn more.

        Think for yourself.

        Answer my inquiry. If god caused a rapist to suddenly become overwhelmed with sadness and shame and empathy just before he raped, not interfering with free will, right?

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      4. Do better than you, Club and Nan? Alas, you are the best atheism has to offer.

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      5. Silence, answer my question or I will just block you for being an ignorant, lying asshole.

        If god were to enter a would-be rapist and make them suddenly feel a well of sadness, shame, and empathy toward their victim, is that interfering with free will?

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      6. I’ve already answered that question many times. I suppose you will have to block me. Blocking is what atheists do to what they cannot understand.

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      7. Oh! I’m NOT going to block you just so everyone can see what a fucking liar you are. You have NOT answered my question. My question is super simple.

        YOU SAID God was allowed to “harden Phaoroah’s heart” because making someone have a major psychological reaction is not halting their free will. THEREFORE, god could simply cause a major psychological reaction in potential rapists to stop them from raping and that WOULD NOT VIOLATE THEIR FREE WILL.

        Right?

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      8. You require that God do things your way and think like you. No sane human being would submit to that sort of control. I imagine, neither would God who is all powerful. Therefore, if we want to understand God, we start by understanding his nature. MY comments here are based on the nature of God and the nature of man.

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      9. Congrats, Silence. You just enabled rape.

        And you also earned yourself the distinct honor of being blocked for the rest of this post for 1) avoiding answering direct and simple questions, 2) prosthletyzing instead, and 3) trying to keep rape safe.

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  4. I think the point of the original question was to get to the point that, if you desire God to kill the rapist before he commits the crime, what other crimes would you want prevented by the same measure?
    What about the crime of teaching a child that the living God is a lie?
    If He exists, that seems to be a pretty
    serious crime.
    If He doesn’t exist, I think you are expending a lot of energy for an unnecessary argument.

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    1. Randy, dumb humans can figure this out. God is obviously dumber.

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      1. chris schilling March 12, 2022 — 2:00 am

        Imagine a passerby who replied to a rape victim’s pleas for help with the line: “Sorry, can’t get involved. Besides, why should I interfere with someone’s expression of their free will to rape or murder?”

        What would we think of such callous disregard for human suffering? Pretty much what some of us think of Randy and SoM’s oh-so powerful god.

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    2. oh my god, randy! how great to see u here 🙂

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  5. The thing I don’t understand is why is it so important to you to disprove the existence of God? When we speak of God, we do so because we believe that He is the source of all life, and to give onewelf to Him is the ultimate fulfillment of finding your purpose in life. We don’t expect you to accept what we say, but we believe with all ourt hearts that this Joy that we have encountered is available to you as well.
    What would be a similar motivation in your attempts to remove our belief?
    I have told you that I have been where you are.
    I could never go back.
    Life, beyond physical explanations, is greater than I ever imagined.
    The fuel of Life is the Holy Spirit, who will lead and guide you into all truth.
    I have lived without.
    Now I live with.
    That is my motivation.

    What is yours?

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    1. Randy, becausr god is made up, and god believers are directly responsible for the majority of wars, suffering, slavery, racism, mysogeny, lack of medical care, lack of equality, and a lack of education.

      Your own personal experiences do not matter when your religion directly lobbies to keep lifesaving items out of aid packages. Your own experience does not matter when your fellow Jesus cult members fight for the right to marry 12 year olds. It does not matter if you personally like to talk to your imaginary friend if you and your fellows also vote to ensure bullshit is taught to children alongside reality as if bullshit might also be real.

      You fucking religious assholes just passed a “don’t say gay” bill in Texas supposedly so we don’t confuse our kids, but then force them to learn from a book that teaches you how to sell your daughter into sex slavery.

      What is my motivation? People like you that sit on a priveledged position and have the audacity to say that since your life is okay with your religion, then fuck all the millions of people that suffer and die because of it.

      My motivation is you and your apathetic, uncaring, immoral, unjust attitude about your fucking horrible, evil religion.

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      1. Did you read the “Don’t Say Gay” Bill?

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      2. Yes, yes I have. It is exactly this religious bullshit that needs to end.

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      3. Atheism doesn’t exactly shine a light for an example as to how then shall we live?

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      4. Correct, Randy. Arheism does not have any values, morals, tenants, beliefs, or conclusions other than a single conclusion about the existence of gods. I’m glad you finally figured that out.

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      5. If atheism has nothing to offer, then what good is it?

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      6. It is not good. What in the fucking hell did you think atheism was?

        Atheism means I don’t believe in gods. The end.

        Many of us atheists, that have morals and values from the normal places look at religion encroaching on civilized humanity, causing pain and destruction and hatred and indoctrination, and we realize if less people believed in such a stupid idea there would be less pain, less suffering, less hatred, better education, less divorce, less abortion, less war, and even less disease.

        Only a religious person would not want that.

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      7. Spartan, Atheists have morals because they have adopted Christian values. The natural state of humanity is appearing again across the land especially in America’s urban areas. Rampant crime, gratuitous violence and sexual depravity. Healthcare providers treat their patients like cows. Our ruling elite is in the same condition. Without Judeo-Christian values, societies devolve into lunatic asylums. Tyrants keep the peace by brute force only so their organized crime syndicates are not disrupted.

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      8. Lol! No, Silence. Your understanding of morality is cartoonishly simple and stupid.

        You still haven’t answered this question: If god changes someone’s feelings so they change their actions, is their free will violated, yes or no?

        If god changes someone’s

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      9. Silence, I deleted your last comment, becauae you keep ignoring the question. I’m going to keep deleting you unless you address the question.

        You say god altering Pharoahs emotional state does not alter free will since he still can think.

        Therefore, is it not correct to say your god could alter a rapists emotional state without violating free will?

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      10. Spartan, What imbecile deletes comments because he too stupid to understand what they mean? You are an idiot. I’ve wasted too much time on you.

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      11. Once again, Silence, you have failed to address the question.

        You say god did not violate Pharoahs free will. So he could do the same for rapists, right?

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      12. Silence, it’s okay to say “okay, I guess I didn’t think that through, I’ll have to consider that more.”

        In fact, that would be the honest answer. You made up an excuse and it didn’t work. Be honest and truthful. Say you didn’t think it through and we part ways with more to consider.

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      13. But you have values, morals, tenants, beliefs, and conclusions about many things.
        You believe rape is wrong, genocide is wrong, certain political beliefs are wrong. . . .

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      14. Yes, I have lots of beliefs. None of my beliefs are informed by atheism, just like none of my beliefs are informed by not believing in Santa Claus.

        But we do both believe rape is immoral. Your god doesn’t care.

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      15. IMO, humans do NOT need a super power to tell them that certain acts and/or behaviors are harmful to other humans.

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      16. You have believed the lie.

        You do not know the living God.

        Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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      17. So your god is REALLY an asshole? He isn’t just a made up asshole?

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      18. You prove my point.
        Until the next time. . . .

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      19. You have no point. Your god allows rape. Therefore he is an asshole. An immoral, tyrannical asshole.

        There is no assumption on my part, there is no “not knowing”. It is in black and white that the god you worship is an asshole.

        Now, if you are willing to throw out the bible completely and start fresh, we can decide if your god is an asshole. But bible god is literally writtwn as an asshole.

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    2. To add to SA’s response … You, Randy, and the several others who claim to be full of God’s love and compassion and guidance are simply unable (or refuse) to see all the things that SA pointed out. You (and most Christians in general) are so wrapped up in your “personal experience,” you fail to see the cruelty and ugliness that Christianity, at its core, teaches.

      It is, in its most elemental form, indoctrination.

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    3. chris schilling March 12, 2022 — 11:41 pm

      Randy speaks of motivation.
      Mine is simple: to live free of illusions. I can’t say whether that would be better for Randy. For a society, however, I think it preferable. Religions foster irrational belief in superstition, myths, and the supernatural, and these act as a veil with which to screen cold, hard reality.

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      1. You, too, Chris speak of what you do not know.

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      2. Randy, you keep asserting without evidence. Now you are asserting that Chris and I dont know what we are talking about, yet we demonstrate all the time we know more than you. You refuse to consider things we are pretty well read on.

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      3. But Randy, as you yourself have pointed out … I DO know … and I agree with Chris.
        I fully understand your “attachment” to the Christian story, but at its core, it’s strictly an emotional thing. If you ever get past that and are able to look at the teachings from an unbiased frame of mind, you’ll understand why so many of us say the things we do.

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      4. Thank you, Nan. You say things nicer than I do. Lol!

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      5. I probably have less “anger” toward Christianity than a lot of people. After having been there, done that, I do understand the psychological effect it has on people … and I try to help them get past that by offering a more rational POV. (Doesn’t always work! 😛)

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      6. I don’t necessarily have anger toward religion, as I lost faith gradually coming from a good experience.

        But I do have a short fuze toward stupidity and dishonesty. Probably the military in me.

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      7. Nan, I don’t mean to be contrary, but if you don’t believe God is real, how can you say that you do know?
        I know what itbisvlike to be where you were before you left religion, but you don’t know what it is like to be changed.
        It is not false, emotional, or made up.

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      8. Randy, im sure you want to hear Nan’s answer to this, but let me say we do NOT know if a god is real. However, YOUR god is clearly fake. Bible god is clearly fake.

        I can not demonstrate there is no rat in my house. I don’t think there is and I don’t see signs of a rat.

        But I can most definitely and absolutely prove there is no cow in my house.

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      9. Randy, you (and others like you) want to say/believe that because a person has walked away from Christianity/God that their experience wasn’t “real.” Pardon me, but that’s horse-shit! It[s the same as me saying that YOUR experience isn’t real.

        Read my book. It lays out exactly what I went through and why I’m where I am today. And if you pay attention, it will explain why I contradict you and other believers when you try to tell me, in so many words, that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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  6. chris schilling March 13, 2022 — 5:04 pm

    “You speak of what you do not know.”

    Randy, you sound a bit like the proverbial acid casualty from the ’60’s, the ones who were always banging on about how they’d experienced reality beyond what anyone else could know, simply because they’d taken various psychotropic substances the rest of us hadn’t, and had their minds blown.

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  7. Hello. I hope this message meets you well. I just ran into this post from you here on WordPress. I can see that you have some hard-hitting questions about God. I am a Christian, and I believe that although I do not know everything (because I am human), I can try to answer some of your questions. We can have a respectful dialogue where we discuss these issues. The point of the conversation is not to convert you, but to promote understanding and clarity on some key issues. If you want, you can leave a question in the reply function under this comment (I will get notified), and can give a response. Have a good weekend.

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    1. Christ Centered, I welcome respectful dialogue.

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      1. SA — this is the third (there may be more) blog that I follow where this person has visited and left the same comment.

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      2. Thank you. Do you have any questions in mind

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  8. Interesting concept.

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  9. i love how this entire post was just u clapping back to randy. man. that guy really was wrapped up in his own fallacies.

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