The Catholic Church: A force for good… old fashioned pedophilia.

I suppose I could have just as easily found this at CNN, but I found it over at Crooks and Liars.  A Pennsylvania Grand Jury has levied charges that over 300 pedophile priests were protected, accounting for over 1000 victims.

Look, this is the same old “few rotten apples” argument that the Church and it’s members have been saying for years, and it’s a bullshit defense.  Now, I’m willing to say ALMOST ALL members of the Catholic Church are not pedophiles, AND condemn pedophilia.

However, it is now become quite clear that the Catholic Church’s management has engaged in and codified in policy the systematic, routine processing of pedophilia complaints in a manner that is both illegal and harmful.  No other organization on the planet, no other company, no other corporation, could survive from such a disgusting practice.  If Coca-Cola, as a point of policy, regularly protected managers that were having sex with employee’s children it would go bankrupt from lawsuits.  If Disneyland had an internal memo detailing how child raping ride operators were to be moved to Disney World and given a Pluto costume, the entire brand would go the way of the dodo.

Yet here sits an organization that is WORSE than those examples I just gave.  Pedophiles were given assignments working directly with children and their actions covered up.  These actions were not taken by a single embarrassed mid-level manager, they were discussed and codified organization wide.  The Catholic Church is a corrupt, criminal organization, and this is demonstrable proof.

Now that the fact is laid bare, I wish to also note that the only reason the Catholic Church survives is because it enjoys a special status- it is the holder of a really old superstitious belief.

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Yes, we live in a world where stupid superstitious beliefs are somehow treated as important, and the organizations that claim to be heirs to that stupid belief are given a LARGE leeway in how they conduct their business.  The direct result- again for emphasis- THE DIRECT RESULT of this ridiculous unbalance in logic is tens of thousands of victims.  And the victims are, you know, the people the Church claims to care so much about.  It’s bad enough that the church is two-faced, but now the pew-fillers are forced to take sides as well.  Thus, the indirect result of the Catholic two-face is normal Catholics that are engaged in denial and cognitive dissonance on a daily basis.  This is not healthy.

And of course, let’s not forget that God is almost assuredly just a fairy tale.  Even if a god is real, Bible God is demonstrably made up.  So millions of people are acting like abused spouses: Ignoring the abuse and accepting the “nice” even though it is superficial and meaningless.  Let’s just call it like it is.  Let’s change the name of the Catholic Church to “The Organization of Made-Up Reasons to Give Us Money So We Can Rape Children And Get Away With It.”  At least it would be honest…

The Spartan Atheist

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77 thoughts on “The Catholic Church: A force for good… old fashioned pedophilia.

  1. I agree that it’s important to add many Catholics condemn the practice, and pedophilia is not part of real Catholicism any more than blowing up buildings ought to be part of mainstream Islam. That said, I agree too that the Church is wrong for covering up the scandal, and it’s appalling what can be excused for religion! There’s this kids movie (The Prince of Egypt) covering the genocide and exodus of the Hebrews, with brutally realistic depictions of genocide and human suffering, that would never fly in any other children’s movie! The most chilling scene is where God kills all the first born Egyptian children. Now, I’m all for more realism in children’s programming, not just unicorns and rainbows, but such graphic scenes would be shocking if it were in any secular kid’s movie! Amazing what people don’t even bat an eye about if religion is involved!
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    1. Imagine the kids that went to see “The Passion of the Christ”! Yikes!

      As a small consolation, the archaeological record says nothing about the entire exodus. It probably never happened.

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  2. “However, it is now become quite clear that the Catholic Church’s management has engaged in and codified in policy the systematic, routine processing of pedophilia complaints in a manner that is both illegal and harmful.” Yep. This is the major issue here with the Church. This behavior is both repugnant and infuriating. Thr Churches wealth should be liquefied and given to its victims of child rape and the coverups. It is disgusting and it STILL goes on.

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  3. It has been obvious that the catholic church policies concerning pedophile priests has been one off protecting the church public image and the priest themselves and not about getting justice for the victims or protecting potential victims

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    1. It’s interesting to consider the level of cynicism and hypocrisy this implies. Is “protecting the church public image and the priest themselves and not about getting justice for the victims” the behavior one would expect of persons who truly believe that they will be judged after death by an all-knowing God, and sentenced to eternal agony if they are found not good enough morally? Or is it the behavior of the leaders of a wealthy mafia-like organization who know deep down that there is no such God or afterlife (despite preaching such concepts to control their sheep), and who are purely concerned with preserving their own positions and power in the real world?

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      1. If god is real, they should burn for this.

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      2. It’s appalling how evil and hypocrisy is allowed to hide behind the facade of tradition, authority, prestige, and religion especially! As noted before, the most atrocious things are turned a blind eye to, made excuses for and overlooked for religion! Most Catholic believers condemn such practice outside the church teachings, and morality, but it’s a harsh reminder that religious leaders are as fallible as you and I and prone to the same corruption as anyone else. What they need to be is called out and condemned y legitimate believers in what is supposed to be taught!
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  4. Religion, whether the intent was good or not, is the epitome of unintended consequences. Each person defends their faith as true Christian, but in the macro the affects have been devastating

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    1. That depends on what consequences were, in fact, intended. As a vehicle for promoting morality and human flourishing, the Catholic Church has indeed been a devastating failure. As an institution for giving pedophiles opportunities to indulge their sexual preference and get away with it, it is a spectacular success.

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      1. Very sick, funny, true, and glad to be checking “other”. Lol. Hey share here anytime. I gotta do a blogger profile over there.

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      2. Heh…..Well, there are defenses too.

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  5. Just checking… Do we still say there’s no such thing as evil or are we making an exception for Catholics?

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    1. Depends on what you mean by “evil”, John. Are there actions that we can judge as increasingly harmful or less harmful? Yes. Are there some actions that are so harmful both to the individual and society at large that we can call the “evil”? Yes.

      Is there a magic substance called “evil” that floats around and stains a person or people? No. Is there an actual thing that is called evil? No.

      So if you’re trying to use 6 year old morality, like you have in previous comments on my articles, we are not going to agree. If you understand that morality is a collective judgement on actions that is defined by a common goal, then we may be able to have a conversation.

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      1. I don’t know anyone who thinks evil is a magical substance.

        Would you say evil must be an activity?

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      2. Well, you don’t SAY that evil is a magical substance, but then turn right around and use it in sentences and examples as if it is a magical substance. Now, I know there are colloquial usages, such as “He is evil” that don’t really define evil very well, but still give evil an anthropomorphic quality. If someone physically can be evil, then evil is a physical trait.

        Do you believe evil is a physical trait? Or is that just a colloquial use?

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      3. I don’t believe evil is a physical trait. Again, I don’t personally know anyone who speaks of evil as a magical substance. I agree that certain actions constitute evil. My question is does evil always require activity?

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      4. Well, I wanted to plant that flag out there, because I’ve seen it used as a noun too many times.

        So since we agree that evil isn’t a physical thing, or a magical thing, then it can only be either a concept or an action. Did I leave anything out?

        Obviously, evil is a moral label we place on certain actions. I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial there.

        And lastly, as a concept. If I think of killing someone, is that evil? No, not necessarily. If you’re a police investigator trying to understand the mechanics of how a murder happened, then you are in fact thinking of a morally reprehensible act, but your intent is to understand and gain insight to find evidence. If you are angry with someone for doing something horrible, and let your mind play out killing them, but are quite aware that you never actually intend to carry out the action- is that “evil?” Again, I say no. After all, we are moral agents. We can’t arrive at moral decisions if we don’t consider the actions. So daydreaming about killing someone, but knowing it is wrong and never moving to action that thought are not evil, they are a part of moral reasoning.

        Now, if you engage in moral reasoning with the intent of following through with physical activity, I believe this can be considered evil. But then again, I’m not an expert in cognitive processes.

        So, now that I’ve answered your question fully, do you have a point?

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      5. Would you consider the Catholic priests to be doing evil if there were no laws against pedophilia?

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      6. From a biblical perspective, it is not evil. Pedophilia is supported in the bible and never, ever is it considered wrong.

        From a theological perspective, if god is all powerful and all knowing, then he must approve of it. He can therefore not be all merciful. If he is all merciful and all knowing, then he is not all powerful, as he does nothing to stop it. And if he is all merciful and all powerful, then he is unaware it is happening. But if he is all merciful, powerful, and knowing, then he approves of it, and therefore pedophilia can not be evil.

        From the perspective of secular morality, we can absolutely know medically that misery is less preferable to comfort. The more misery, the worse it is for our human condition. Further, misery of others also affects the well being of a community.

        As misery is less preferable, and misery of others affects us all negatively, then the only question that remains is do we care about our own and our community’s health? Increasing misery decreases our overall health.

        Therefore, using secular values, we only need to know 1) do we care about our own health, and 2) what degree of misery is inflicted?

        If there were no national laws at all against pedophilia, and we only used the bible, no it is not evil.

        If there were no national laws at all against pedophilia, and we only used Christian theology, no it is not evil.

        If there were no national laws at all against pedophilia, and we only used secular morality, there is overwhelming evidence that it is evil.

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      7. There is no Biblical justification for pedophilia. Neither is there a secular or medical reason that I should care about the suffering of others. That’s why I asked if evil requires activity. Is it evil to not care about abused kids?

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      8. Oh? I thought you’ve read the bible.

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      9. I have read the Bible. Feel free to reference it in your answer if you choose.

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      10. Seriously? No offense, but if you can’t think of a time in the bible where god and/or one of his direct messengers told people to take children, then I doubt you’ve actually read it. I am totally calling you out on this, by the way.

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      11. Did you know not all Bible stories are lessons on proper moral behavior? God never commanded anyone to send children to a mob to be raped.

        Is it evil to not care about raped kids?

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      12. Yes. So were all the other characters.
        That’s why Jesus came along.

        Congrats! You’ve avoided the question.

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      13. By your standards, yes. I’m sure God is wrong about many things.

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      14. My standards? You said there is no biblical justification for pedophilia. Yet god either directly endorsed or complacently ignored pedophilia. I’m not talking about right or wrong here yet, I’m just trying to establish that the bible is either pro-pedophilia, or neutral on the subject. We can talk about right or wrong later.

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      15. Ok.
        Your call. Whatever you decide. Tell me God’s position on pedophilia and we can move on to right and wrong.

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      16. I already did. He either directed it (via Moses), or ignored it (via Lot and multiple others). He never condemned it once in the entire bible.

        So if I had to base my position on pedophilia solely from the bible, and no other source, I would conclude that pedophilia is either a benign thing or possibly good.

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      17. Cool. The Bible is pro-pedophilia. Let’s go with that. We don’t need to discuss the Bible anymore.

        Now, is pedophilia right or wrong?

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      18. I agree. Pedophilia is evil.

        What about not caring about suffering children, is that evil?

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      19. Oh, that sounds like a fun topic, but I’m not going to change subject. My article was about pedophilia, the Catholic Church’s systematic cover-ups of hundreds or thousands of such crimes, and in a related vein, how the bible endorses the behavior.

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      20. Cool.
        It was a very brave thing you did denouncing pedophilia. I noticed there were only a few million other people with the balls to declare child molestation as wrong.

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      21. And thank you for admitting the bible and bible god find it okay.

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      22. You are the only person I know who thinks the Bible is okay with pedophilia. If that constitutes a victory in your mind, you’re welcome!

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      23. You should get out more. Most people in the world think the bible endorses pedophilia.

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      24. If that were true, the Priests wouldn’t be in such hot water. Maybe you should get out more…

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      25. ? Yellow? I’m not sure what you even mean by that. Is it national “say random stuff” day?

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      26. I’ll slow down.
        You said: “Most people in the world think the bible endorses pedophilia.”

        If it were true (that most people in the world think the Bible endorses pedophilia) the Priests would not be in trouble (or ‘such hot water’). The Catholics could simply quote the scripture’s endorsement of pedophilia and claim that they were doing God’s work.

        I’m open to education though! Where did you learn that most people think the bible endorses pedophilia?

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      27. Pennsylvania isn’t most of the world. It’s not even close. Are you also unaware that there are other religions in the world?

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      28. Correct. Pennsylvania is a relatively small percentage of the world’s population.
        I am completely aware there are other religions in the world.

        Now, please tell me how you know most people in the world think the bible endorses pedophilia.

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      29. Because it’s right there in black and white. In the story “Gone with the wind”, they had slaves. In “Star Wars”, the Empire controlled the galaxy by force. And in the Bible, god directs pedophilia, protects people that engage in it, and even does it himself.

        I guess what you’re really asking is, if I ask every single person in the world if they think the bible endorses pedophilia, would they say “yes”? More likely, they’d probably say they don’t know. But anyone that has read the book, and isn’t trying to weasel their religious belief into making the bible the “good book” can clearly see the answer. And when you listen to people of other religions speak of the bible, they note this issue.

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      30. Ah.
        You made stuff up.

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      31. John, I’ll accept that criticism. Most people in the world probably have never read the bible, including most Christians, so there is no way they could know that the bible endorses pedophilia.

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      32. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. – Jesus (from the pro-pedophilia Bible)

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      33. John, I don’t know whether to call you a liar or an idiot. This passage is about belief- simple, unthinking, unchallenged belief. It has nothing AT ALL to do about the treatment of children.

        In the very next sentences, he says:

        If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

        So, John, is Jesus literally saying not to harm children, cut your hand off, and poke your eye out? Or is he saying have strong faith?

        If you advocate that this passage is protecting children, then you’re advocating that the bible says you must literally cut your hand off if it causes you problems.

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      34. Well, if you want to talk about literal Bible interpretations, show me where the bible literally condones pedophilia.

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      35. I already did. Moses literally told his crew to keep the girls for themselves. Lot literally gave his girls for sex, and god condoned it. God himself fucked a 12 year old girl. And throughout Deuteronomy and Numbers, it was God-approved practice to take minor girls as war brides.

        And again, the Muslims, using the same OT, recognize the pedophilia and use it to justify their own child bride practices.

        Saying the bible is against pedophilia is like saying Darth Vader was a really nice guy. And you’re gonna pluck a single line, that actually says belief is important, and pretend it overturns the entire rest of the bible?

        Again, I don’t believe you’ve ever actually read the bible. I think youve read lots of verses out of order at best.

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      36. You are interpreting those passages. You haven’t shown me the Bible literally condoning sex with children.
        Apparently, you get to decide what’s literal and what’s not. That’s a handy trick! I know a lot of fundamentalist preachers that do the same thing.

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      37. I don’t give a fuck if it’s a literal story or not, but the words are literally in the bible. God tells the jews to take war brides. God saves the man that offered his daughters for sex. Those are literally in the bible. If you decide to TAKE them literally just indicates how much of a hypocrite you are.

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      38. I know the Bible says hypocrisy is wrong. Fortunately, there is no secular law forbidding it.

        No literal Biblical advocacy for pedophilia. Understood. (Child brides are not alter boys.)

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      39. Yeah, John. It didnt specifically say “alter boys”. Gee, that makes all the difference…..

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      40. You haven’t specifically said anything to support your opinions. You seem to think anger is an argument.

        Still waiting on the specific word from the Bible that says priests can rape alter boys…

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      41. At most, you could say the bible is against homosexuality, so you could extend that to priest ( male ) and alter boys ( male ) and say that the bible is against this form of relationship
        But young boys are just one half of pedophilia, there is the other half young girls
        Which I can say the bible has almost no problem with. The only issue the bible could be said to have is concerning marriage

        The term “pedophilia” did not even exist in bible times

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      42. I didn’t mention homosexuality because it creates a quandary for the Spartan.

        If we take pedophilia to mean “priests raping alter boys” there is no Biblical justification for that activity.

        Likewise, secular morality does not allow us to condemn pedophilia in cultures where it is legal. Morality is determined by majority.

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      43. If we take pedophilia to mean “priests raping alter boys”

        Why are you trying to change the meaning of pedophilia
        Sure “priests raping alter boys” is an example of pedophilia BUT that is just an example and not everything about pedophilia
        Pedophilia is also inclusive of young girls

        Like I said the bible could be said to be against “priests raping alter boys” but that is just one part of pedophilia and not everything about pedophilia

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      44. Why are you ignoring the point about secular morality being unable to condemn pedophilia in other cultures?

        Nobody is using scripture to justify pedophilia. The child bride argument is a red herring.

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      45. Most cultures that condone pedophilia have their bases in religion or a religious belief

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      46. That is irrelevant. If the majority agrees to permit pedophilia, it is morally correct.

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      47. Oh no! Spartan said I’m wrong! I therefore lose!

        No.

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      48. I directly addressed secular morality and it’s ability to condemn pedophilia. I can’t help if you didn’t read it.

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      49. I directly refuted your replies. I can’t help it if you didn’t read it.

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      50. You made baseless assertions. I explained secular morality, objective measures, and goals of the process. You did not refute anything.

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      51. Oh, no! John said I’m wrong! I therefore lose!

        No.

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      52. Only you are such a dishonest liar that you would say what I most definitely did not say.

        And yes, secular morality does condemn pedophilia. That is my ENTIRE POINT. The bible condones it, secular morality condemns it.

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      53. Your secular morality condemns pedophilia. Others do not. That’s the problem with subjective morality. You can’t say other people are wrong when their culture is just different from yours.

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      54. You can say pedophilia is wrong because it causes harm to the victim. What causes physical or psychological harm is not dictated by culture.
        Sure culture could make it seem to be a normal thing
        But that doesn’t change the fact that pedophilia is harmful. And that is why I from the previous comment, spartan is saying that pedophilia is wrong

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      55. There is no objective standard for what is harmful. Your secular morality cannot tell other cultures that they shouldn’t harm children. Again, majority determines morality.

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      56. Yes, there is objective standards. We have the technology. We have the data. Again, you ignore it.

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      57. Morality is complicated. Sorry. Grow up.

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      58. John, can you actually read? Are you having someone else type for you? When did I say the bible specifically said priests can rape alter boys?

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      59. Oh, and lets not forget the Muslims, that not only know that the bible endorses pedophilia, but they embrace it and practice it themselves….

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