Proof that the apologists are full of crap and lying to you.

If you’re ever really interested to know if the apologist is being honest and thoughtful, or just lying through their teeth, just look and see if they have a “comment” button. Or even slightly more dishonest, they have a comment button, but they delete comments that disagree and leave the nice ones.

They turn to 1 Peter 3:15, which basically says it is the duty of Christians to have a defense for their faith to anyone that asks. Then, they turn and lock the door tight, so no questions can be asked. Charlatans, all!

I’ve noticed this trend on blogs, YouTube videos, and other social media. As an atheist, blogging about atheism, I’ve spent some time searching around for sites with religious posts. My purpose is to drum up a little support for my blog, but also to challenge them on their beliefs, maybe help them get at least one thing right. My comments are respectful, and I ask them questions. I try to keep the questions to a minimum to avoid confusion. Some people reply, others don’t. But the “Apologetics” pages, the people that are supposed to be “defending the case for Christ” against us “evil atheists”, are the ones that flat-out don’t give themselves the opportunity to actually do so.

Hypocrisy is a Christian value. I’ve come to realize this.

Seriously, these are supposed to be the heavyweights of the religion. They’re supposed to know the material so well that I should feel equally inferior talking to them as I would an astrophysicist. But instead, they make stupid arguments, stupid assumptions, and say very, very stupid things! Yet they won’t allow a common man with no religious or scientific training to ask questions.

Because of their blatant dishonesty, I refuse to link to any of their pages. They don’t deserve it. But let’s get a top 10 going.

  • 10. “Free will.” It’s code for “god doesn’t do anything.” Liars.
  • 9. “Lots of evidence for Jesus (or god).” No, there is no evidence. You know this, and you’re lying to your audience about what evidence is. Liars.
  • 8. Kalam, or any other 800 year old argument. They didn’t work then, they certainly don’t work now. Liars.
  • 7. “Creation vs. Evolution”- No, they are not equal. We don’t compare “lift” and “pixies holding the wings up” when we talk about flight. Even saying them in the same sentence is dishonest. Liars.
  • 6. “Win the person, not the argument”- Cool, so you’re just gonna lie to them and give them a hug? Liars.
  • 5. “The values of Atheism are…”, or logic of, or morality of. Stupid. This is their lead-off straw man, followed by an entire blog of fallacious crap. Liars.
  • 4. “Archaeology confirms the bible.” No, it doesn’t. It may confirm a city existed. That hardly confirms one single account about that city. Liars.
  • 3. “A famous Nobel-prize winning scientist admitted…” No he or she didn’t. This is a flat-out lie that I’ve seen in many apologist writings. I once tried to research the name of the nameless Nobel laureate mentioned in an apologist book. I had plenty of detail. It was a made up story. Liars.
  • 2. Anything at all to do with trying to rectify slavery in the bible. Just stop. I’ve read the bible. It’s so clear on slavery there is no doubt. Bible god endorses it, orders it, gives rules for it. Bible slaves are property that can be passed along through inheritance, you can rape them, you can beat them senseless. Liars.
  • 1. “Atheism is depressing.” Only when we have to listen to religious people! My life is incredibly full of meaning and I’m happy with my life in general. The happiest country in the world, Denmark, is also the least religious country in the world. Once again, Liars!

Apologists don’t allow comments, or filter their comments, because they don’t actually care about converting non-believers. If they cared even the tiniest bit, they would seek to answer our questions. They shut the button off because they either don’t have answers or they’re just selling books. They are hypocrites, they are liars, and they are charlatans.

The Spartan Atheist

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29 thoughts on “Proof that the apologists are full of crap and lying to you.

  1. I’ve learned a lot since leaving Christianity and I have learned even more in the last few days since following your blog. Nice post.

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    1. Thanks, Ben. I can’t follow you for some reason?

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      1. I changed my site address a while back and now WP won’t link property. My site address is: learningwhogodisandwhoheisnot.wordpress.com

        That should work.

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      2. I meant properly, not property. Autocorrect didn’t help me at all. πŸ˜‰

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  2. Awesome post! Agree with all you’ve said. Oh, as to this quote from above, ” I should feel equally inferior talking to them (apologists) as I would an astrophysicist….” Whenever I speak to astrophysicists, I stand up on a chair right next to them so I tower over them. This makes me feel superior to them even though they’re much smarter than I am. Sure, they laugh at my antics, but does that in anyway negate the superiority my mechanically created height gives me over them? I most definitely think not!

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    1. I heard that President Johnson insisted on having a chair on an elevated platform, even on AF1, so he was the highest in the room.

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  3. According to Mel, he’s not lying, we just don’t understand the argument. Shiftin’ bobbin’ and weavin’ so much they can’t even remember what they said.

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    1. And thanks for the follow. Should be fun.

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      1. No problem. We’re gonna create a reason tsunami! Lol!

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      2. Reason can answer designed deceptivities opulent excuse.

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  4. I’ve also noticed on some sites a kind of tag team approach, where the non-believer asks a simple question and a couple of apologists team up to show him how stoopid he is. It reminds me a lot of two ‘superior” little girls who like to bully lesser kids with insults and smart ass comments.

    You can almost see the smirk.

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    1. Just had a jumper-in’er telling me bible genocide wasn’t murder. Hilarious.

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  5. On Ken Ham’s page, I asked if he had submitted any of his work for peer review. His response was to delete the question and ban me. I tell people to never be afraid to have your views or beliefs challenged. If the beliefs are correct, they’ll survive the challenge; if they are wrong, you will be enlightened.

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    1. LOL! He always did strike me as the dishonest type….

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      1. I had an online run in with him a few years ago. I wrote a piece after I saw him on Fox News at Christmas time saying atheists had no morals or some such nonsense. In response, I wrote a post saying he was right: that as an atheist I was a cannibal and had no morals and to prove it, I was going to eat him as my Christmas meal. Well, he didn’t like that. He actually re-posted my piece on his Answers In Genesis site and blasted me quite severely. I wrote him a long thank you note for doing that because my blog, which gets about -3 views a year, got over 10 thousand views due to him doing what he did. He didn’t like that either, and he and his minions said nasty things about me. It was a fun time. I then wrote another post apologizing to him for saying I was going to eat him at Christmas time. Instead of that, I wrote, I would wait til Easter to eat him because ham is more of a traditional Easter meal. He didn’t like that either, but, by that point, he realized he was giving me constant attention by slamming me on his blog, so he stopped. I miss him. I’ve written many posts on him over the years. He’s a true, unadulterated idjit, and he was born to be mocked.

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      2. Holy crap! Good job! “ham is more of a traditional Easter meal.” Rolling on the floor!

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    2. I asked ColorStorm (he is–or was– a flat earther) how thick the earth actually was. He told me I was stupid. sigh.

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  6. “Apologists don’t allow comments, or filter their comments…”

    Really?

    I allowed your comment on my blog, which makes me wonder what else have you asserted that is similarly and blatantly not true.
    I really admire atheist critique but haven’t as yet found any serious engagement with any serious scholars on your blog. It’s more of a caricature shoot, and that is the very point I would want to agree with you on (the point I made in my post that you commented on – the same post I “allowed” and didn’t “filter”!
    It looks to me, at my brief glance at your blog, that you are as guilty of generalisations and assertive speech-act power-play as to make actual intellectual debate an impossibility. Which is a shame because you’re obviously very smart.

    The very thing you despise about “Christians” you are clearly promoting yourself, and that’s the problem, because as a Christian I do not resonate at all with what you call Christianity, as you don’t resonate with what some “Christians” call atheism.

    Anyway, for what it’s worth that’s that. I do hope my commenting here doesn’t degenerate into something no one can do anything with. I too “love my friends, family and “people” and “pay my taxes” etc…

    If you can show serious engagement with actual scholars then I’m in to the bitter end with you. If not, then “I’m out.”

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    1. Gralefrit, you allow comments. Therefore I was not talking about you. No need for defensiveness.
      Feel free to engage, I love to chat.

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      1. Ok. Maybe I was a bit defensive so thanks for opportunity to chat. Appreciate that.

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      2. Gralefrit, if you’re going to reply to comments, perhaps you should read the actual comment more closely.

        My “quote” was from YOUR response to the SpartanAtheist where you were accusing HIM of “generalisations and assertive speech.” Further, YOU were the one who wrote about the “brief glance.” Suggest you go back and re-read the comment YOU wrote on May 18 @ 2.22 pm.

        Thus, it seems to me your entire (defensive) response to me was actually uncalled for.

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    2. It looks to me, at my brief glance at your blog, that you are as guilty of generalisations and assertive speech …

      Perhaps this is because he’s writing to those of us who agree with him and who are already familiar with the so-called “FACTS” put forth by apologists and defenders of Christian theology.

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      1. ALL people who generalize and make SWEEPING statements that cover EVERYTHING are silly goofballs. EVERY SINGLE ONE of “those” generalizers are not to be listened to. They audaciously GENERALIZE EVERYTHING and EVERY time ANYONE does that they’re not being nice. So, there! πŸ™‚

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      2. GOT IT! … Oh heavenly one. Thanks for the clarification. πŸ˜€

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      3. “Guilty of generalisations? Not really Nan. I’m writing about theology (my subject matter (word cloud) will betray any “generalisations” and as for assertive speech – really? – I’m defending what is defendable despite your protestations)!
        It is the quest of something I am for, as opposed to something that people write about what they are against. That “he’s writing to those of us who agree with him” hardly sounds like the grounds for healthy debate, not least a blogosphere echo chamber, even if you capitalise “facts” for assertive speech and though you think faith =no facts…oh dear!
        Are “all” Christian Apologists guilty of your so-called generalisations? C’mon! Do you really think the “evidence” supports this? I suspect your bias comes out of a deep hurt that has affected your intellectual capacity to philosophical reason.
        Which Christian theologians or philosophers have you actually read? Intellectual honesty demands that you admit who?
        But I suppose, as you say, it was a brief glance…!

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  7. Excellent overview.
    There isn’t an internet apologist/christian I have engaged who is not guilty of most of the points you’ve listed.
    Some are guilty of all of them!

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